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New book: Holocaust, Dworkin

Arab leader finally admits that there was a Holocaust!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200­90725/ap_on_re_mi_ea/af_mideas­t_muslims_holocaust

paolosilv (8 months ago)holocaust in romania

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/­balkanhr/message/7146

Your own leader admitted it, sorry.

1dec1918: Re: good romanians
We never killed jews,we don’t hate anybody !

Stop with these lies,we are good people !

NO RACISM !NO HATERS !

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi­kipedia/commons/6/60/Fall_Barb­arossa_1.jpg

Hitler document ordering attack on the Soviet Union, June 22, 1941.

Thank you Calvarienburg.

http://forum.axishistory.com/v­iewtopic.php?f=6&t=397&start=0

Korherr Report : Nazis’ own statistics on the subject, spg 1943..
Calvarienberg (6 months ago) Remove | Block User | Spam Marked as spam Von Papen was a very crucial figure within the process of Hitler’s seizure of power. He was a rightist monarchist who thought he and the conservatives could enframe Hitler and his Nazi ministers after 1933. He was wrong. As soon as the regime had established itself it began with the gleichschaltung. Papen was pushed off from vice-chancellor to minor diplomatic positions abroad and remained passive until the end of WWII.

He never recognized his guilt, not even at Nuremberg. A very narrow-minded, a very culpable man.
Franz v Papen: 1960 Titel Geheimer Kammerherr durch Papst Johannes XXIII.
The man who brought Hitler to power, 1933, blessed by the Pope in 1960

Von Papen, Schacht the banker, Krupp, and Von Schroeder: the men behind the Third Reich

Demjanjuk once claimed to have served with the Ukrainian Liberation Army, formed by the Germans to fight the Soviets, in Graz, Austria in 1943.
“This army at that time was at no point in Graz,” Walther, who has now retired from the special German prosecutors’ office responsible for investigating Nazi-era crimes, told the Munich state court.

But the rest of the evidence against Demjanjuk is either circumstantial or mitigating. Most of the 35 plaintiffs are simply relatives of those killed at Sobibor, and the four actual survivors of the camp are too old to have a reliable memory of him or his immediate actions. The defense lawyer Ulrich Busch has repeatedly argued that Demjanjuk is also a victim of the Nazi regime: as a Ukrainian prisoner of war, Demjanjuk became a Trawniki – one of the many local non-Germans trained as guards in the easternmost concentration camps – to avoid starvation.

Deutsche welle http://www.dw-world.de/dw/arti­cle/0,,4999547,00.

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Just when things couldn’t get worse:

http://www.reuters.com/article­/idUSTRE6134SP20100204

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The ICRC report is very clear regarding Nazi atrocities; for instance,
in page 641 of vol. 1, the report states that the Jews were “outcasts
condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution,
and systematic extermination”. It goes on to say “they were penned
into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labor,
subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps”.
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http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/­people/l/lipstadt.deborah/ftp.­py?people/l/lipstadt.deborah//­citations/red-cross.report

International Red cross, 1940’s report on Holocaust

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p­ages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=954710­&contrassID=1&subContrassID=1

Another Nazi finally brought to justice. Don’t give up!

http://www.wiltshiretimes.co.u­k/news/1782475.how_i_found_naz­i_war_criminal_suspect/

This woman is dead now.

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German historian Hans-Ulrich Wehler supported Irvings imprisonment under the grounds that The denial of such an unimaginable murder of millions, one third of whom were children under the age of 14, cannot simply be accepted as something protected by the freedom of speech.[212] By contrast Deborah Lipstadt argued that Irving should not be imprisoned for expressing views that she finds odious and wrong.
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://forum.axishistory.com/v­iewtopic.php?f=38&t=148792
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http://www.smh.com.au/world/la­ughing-nazi-guard-accused-of-f­aking-symptoms-20091201-k3yp.h­tml

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http://news.smh.com.au/breakin­g-news-world/demjanjuk-trial-h­ears-of-nazi-role-20100114-m7i­2.html

latest Ivan D. news

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=Z9f6NBoWnOo&feature=related

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“During the roughly eight months he spent in Auschwitz, Dr Nyiszli observed the murders of tens-of-thousands of people including the slaughter of whole sub-camps at a time”.
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Dr. Hans Muench testified that people were murdered at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

http://forum.axishistory.com/v­iewtopic.php?t=45973

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holo­caust/timeline/camps.htm

Florida site for teachers about the Holocaust.

Karl Streibel, a Trawniki recruiter, tried in Germany in 1976 and scandalously acquitted after his attorneys successfully argued that he did not know what the guards he trained would be used for. (ibid)./
Disgusting.

But the rest of the evidence against Demjanjuk is either circumstantial or mitigating. Most of the 35 plaintiffs are simply relatives of those killed at Sobibor, and the four actual survivors of the camp are too old to have a reliable memory of him or his immediate actions. The defense lawyer Ulrich Busch has repeatedly argued that Demjanjuk is also a victim of the Nazi regime: as a Ukrainian prisoner of war, Demjanjuk became a Trawniki – one of the many local non-Germans trained as guards in the easternmost concentration camps – to avoid starvation.

Deutsche welle http://www.dw-world.de/dw/arti­cle/0,,4999547,00.html
Unbelievable: Here’s another Nazi:

http://www.thejc.com/news/worl­d-news/22007/former-nazi-charg­ed-killing-58-austria

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Witness in Demjanjuk trial faces own charges as Nazi camp guard

An 88-year-old man who appeared as a witness in the ongoing trial of suspected Nazi camp guard John Demjanjuk, faces indictment for his own alleged role as guard at the Belzec extermination camp during the Holocaust.

Samuel K., whose full name has been withheld, is suspected of being a guard at Belzec in southeastern Poland between November 1941 and spring 1943. He could face charges of accessory to murder in 430,000 cases.

“We assume that every guard in the death camp knew what was happening and participated in all activities, including sending people into the gas chambers,” Kurt Schrimm, head of Germany’s judicial authority for investigation of Nazi crimes, told Haaretz on Monday.
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“We do not have testimonies of people that saw him doing this,” he said, “but we can say that he was there.” http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/s­pages/1143426.html

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“When Himmler visited Helsinki in July 1942, he had asked about Finland’s Jews. During his stay, Finnish intelligence officers searched his briefcase… they found notes from the Wannsee conference and a list of Finnish Jews.” (p. 205, Laquer, Encyclopaedia of the Holocaust).
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Bormann escaped, acc. to Goni, to Paraguay, and died there in misery, 1959.
Uki Goni, excellent journalist on escaped Nazis:

http://www.youtube.com/results­?search_query=uki+goni&search_­type=&aq=f

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http://forum.axishistory.com/v­iewtopic.php?f=6&t=43317&start­=30

Thousands of records were recovered by the advancing Allied Forces in party or government offices… They (nazis) stashed all records they could in selected hiding places. The Allies found records behind a false wall in an abandoned castle. In another castle, nearly complete records of the German Foreign Office, weighing almost 500 tons , were discovered. .. Particularly valuable were captured personal files of Himmler” (p. 24, Doctors from Hell, Vivien Spitz). The Nazis were damned by their own record -keeping, so the disinformation put out by neo-Nazis is puerile.

Goebbels, corrupt? By 1936, although he was not nearly as corrupt as some other senior Nazis, such as Göring and Robert Ley, Goebbels was earning 300,000 Reichsmarks a year in “fees” for writing in his own newspaper, Der Angriff, as well as his ministerial salary and many other sources of income. These payments were in effect bribes from the papers publisher Max Amann. He owned a villa by the lake at Wannsee and another on Lake Constance in the south, which he spent 2.2 million Reichsmarks refurbishing.

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/A­uschwitz/Bernhard_070707.html

Smoking gun: David Irving is still posting Holocaust denial on his site, but he is not writing it himself.

Defeated in his libel action and held accountable for the immense legal fees opposing attorneys ran up, Irving was pushed into bankruptcy by the courts and subsequently fled to the United States where he lives, at last report, in a small rental house in Key West, Florida.
David Irving.

To his few supporters left in the United States, Irving has revealed his secret plan of becoming an American citizen and to achieve this worthy goal, he has gone to ground and refrained from any publishing ventures that would tend to irritate the American authorities.

my response to “Communistcrusher”, a denier of the Holocaust.

communistcrusher:

I have tried to respond.

my remarks are marked **
Paul

Date: Feb 05, 2010
Message: 1. In 1939, there were nearly 15,700,000 Jews in the world.*
After the
Second World War that number had risen to over 18,000,000 Jews.**

What this means is that of the 15,000,000 original Jews on the planet,
6,000,000 were gassed, leaving only some 9,000,000-plus. Then, the
world Jewish population rebounded and doubled to over 18,000,000
in
less than nine years—an astonomical feat, which astounded
biologists
and baby doctors everywhere!
**Six million were not gassed, but was the total dead. Many people were shot, starved et cet.

2. From the Beginning, there was the SIX MILLION, of which 4,000,000
were gassed at Auschwitz. Then, in 1990 it was discovered that
only
1.5 million were gassed at Auschwitz, a difference of 2.5 million
less.

** Here, you’re wrong. The Soviets put that plaque up based on the CAPACITY of the ovens and crematoria, not on the actual numbers who died. The difference can be explained by the numbers of people who died in four camps they didn’t know about: Treblinka, Sobibor, Belzec, Chelmno.

But somehow the magical SIX MILLION remained, even though no
instant
replacement was ever found. YHWH moves in mysterious ways!
**Hmm.

3. At the same time, the director of the Auschwitz State Museum
Dr. Franciszek Piper, announced that the so-called gas chamber there
had been fabricated by the Soviets AFTER the war!

**no , he said the version put up after the war replaced the one the Nazis blew up in 1944.

4. But there’s more. The International Red Cross reported that
less
than 300,000 internees of all nationalities in the German
camps died of
all causes, including old age. And of these, barely more than half
were
Jews. Most of these died in several typhoid epidemics caused by
wartime
conditions, which claimed many lives—including those of doctors,
nurses
and camp administrative personnel!
** What is your source for this claim?

5. But even these deaths were too much for the German authorities.
On December 8, 1942, Heinrich Himmler, chief commandant of all detention
facilities, issued an order stating categorically: “The death rate in
the
camps must be reduced at all costs.”
**And what was the context of that remark?

6. In all of German-occupied Europe there were 2.4 million Jews.
After
the war, 3.8 million Jews claimed “survivor” benefits from the German
government. Tragically, the remaining 6 million were lost.

**Have you heard of the Korherr Report? Or the Wannsee Conference ? The Nazis had their own statistical reporter, Richard Korherr. And they gave an estimate of how many had died in that time. I notice you also don’t mention the murders by the Einsatzgruppen.

7. It was a miracle. According to The New York Times of Sunday,
January 4, 1987, celebrated survivor Elie Wiesel recalled “the day the
Soviets arrived at Auschwitz.” Then, in a speech to the National
Press
Club in Washington D.C., reported by the Jewish Telegraph Agency on
April 11, 1983, he had a different recollection. He noted that he
was
“one of the survivors liberated at Dachau by the U.S. Army” on April 15,
1945—and thus became the only prisoner of war to hold the
distinction
of being liberated from two different camps in World War II!

**If you read, Night, by Elie Wiesel, you would know that he was transported from Auschwitz to Dachau. His father was left behind at Auschwitz.

8. Not to be outdone by The Weasel, famous “Nazi-hunter” Simon
Wiesenthal died serenely at age 96, knowing that, according to BBC
News, he had survived 12—count ‘em!—Nazi “death camps.”
*I’m not sure about Wiesenthal’s history, since I haven’t read anything by him. And your defamation of Elie Wiesel is cheap and typical of a Neo Nazi.

9. In 1948 a story appeared about a hapless Jewish girl who was
done in by the Nazis. It was written with a ballpoint pen, something
that did not appear on the market until after the war. It was
called—
“The Diary of Anne Frank”!
* *Again, you provide no source, but that is not accepted by any scholar.

10. So where did this SIX MILLION business start? For that we must
go back to one Ilya Ehrenburg,* chief Soviet propagandist during the
Second World War and later on to die in Israel, who coined the mythic
number on Dec. 22, 1944—BEFORE tens of thousands of Jewish
internees,
given the choice of staying to be “liberated” by the Communists or going
with their German captors, did not hesitate to choose the latter
option!

* The American Jewish Committee cites a figure of 15,688,259.
** The Jewish-owned New York Times for Feb. 22, 1948, uses a figure of
18,700,000.

*** When the Red Cross interviewed thousands of freed camp inmates at
the end
of the war, asking whether they had witnessed alleged “gassings,” the
response was
universally negative. According to IRC document #9925, June, 1946:
“The detainees
themselves have not spoken of them.”

Paul’s ** That proves nothing. Those particular detainees may not have seen them. They were done in one or two special areas of the camps that could not be clearly seen.

***** In his book Legend of Our Time, New York, 1982, The Weasel
explained:
“Things are not that simple, Rebbe. Some events do take place but are
not true;
others are—although they never occurred.”

****** The monstrous lies of this Jewish psychopath succeeded in
creating a climate
of rabid, anti-German hate which led to the death of millions. Here
is a typical example
of the genocidal daily fare served up to Soviet troops, taken from
an Oct. 1944 leaflet
to the Red Army: “Kill! Nothing in Germany is guiltless, neither
the living nor the yet unborn.
Follow the words of Comrade Stalin and crush the fascist beast in its
lair. Break the racial pride
of the German woman. Take her as your legitimate booty. Kill, you
brave soldiers of the
glorious Soviet army!”

**Ilya Ehrenburg was a Soviet Propagandist. You’re being disingenuous (crafty). You could also quote Goebbels’ vicious propaganda about the Russian beasts, et cet.

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http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/26857/gordon-brown-troubled-cst-antisemitism-report

Note the number of increased attacks on London Jews. The propaganda is dangerous.

Albert Speer and Kammler

“In 1977, Speer took a further step within the framework of his
self accusations when he stated:  ‘I still see my guilt as residing
chiefly in the approval of the persecution of the Jews and the
murder of millions of them.’ (FN 68)

(FN 68) Sworn affidavit by Albert Speer, 6/15/1977. Quoted in
‘Aus Politik und Zeitgeschichte,’ supplement to the weekly
newspaper *_Das Parlament_* (July 28, 1978.).”

Speer:
*However, to this day I still consider my main guilt to be my tacit acceptance (Billigung) of the persecution and
 murder of millions of Jews* (author’s italics). With those words, especially the hard-to-translate *Billigung*,
Speer associated himself for the first time directly with the murder of
the Jews. http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/s/ftp.py?people/s/speer.albert/speer-knew-of-mass-killings

“In the summer of 1944, Speer and the Jaegerstaff maintained a telephone hotline to the ramp at Auschwitz,… it was in the dank, deathly gloom of Hans kammler’s underground factories that the Third Reich made its final futile bid to match the Americans in mass-production” (ibid).

“Himmler cited the case of Messerschmitt’s fighter plant at Regensburg, which had entered into a sub-contracting deal with the Flossenbuerg concentration camp. Flossenbuerg and its Aussenlager consumed the lives of at least 20,000 people, in addition to the many thousands more who died at Mauthausen.” p. 630, ibid

The Wages of Destruction, by Adam Tooze, Cambridge University. Mentions Kammler pp 622-3, 627, 630 and 671. Speer congratulated Kammler after visiting the Mittelbau tunnel complex, where people were hanging. In the dock at Nuremberg, “Speer denied ever having seen the true conditions in a concentration camp.” (623).

“On 27 Feb 1942, Kammler went to Auschwitz to discuss a second crematorium.”

“In January 1943, Bischoff wrote to Kammler that Hitler himself had ordered the accelerated completion of the camp.” p. 37., Holocaust Encyclopaedia, ed. by Walter Lacquer.

“On Jan 21 1972 , architect Fritz Ertl who had been employed at the Auschwitz Construction Office until early 1943, testified in court in Vienna about the genocidal use of the crematoria. The first time that he was informed about the use of Auschwitz in the Final Solution was in the summer of 1942″., p. 295, Van Pelt’s book, The Case for Auschwitz.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worl­d/2005/sep/30/books.italy //Lt. Luigi Romersa
Mission for Mussolini, 2006 Video on History channel.
So far I can’t find the latter in English.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v­=VDA6Elzs1os&feature=related

Finally found something with Kammler :http://www.youtube.com/watch?­v=5rCEOfQFyIo

I think the reason Hans Kammler got written out of history (no mention of him in most books written between 1948 through 2001) is that the US government downplayed any mention of him at Nuremberg NOT because they took him, but because they wanted to protect the rocket scientists. Hence, the no.3 war criminal who probably did kill himself in 1945 May, managed to get written out of history. I can find no better explanation.

More books: “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, ” by W. Shirer. “Denying the Holocaust”, Deborah Lipstadt. Dr Eugene Kogan, “The SS State”. Also, for oral testimony, see: Shoah, a Visual History, Spielberg Foundation. Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews. Primo Levi, If this is a Man, or Survival At Auschwitz.

new books :The Third Reich at War, Richard Evans, Penguin books; Life and Death in the Third Reich, Peter Fritzsche, Harvard; Germany and the Second World War, Jorge Echternkamp, Oxford; Hitler, the Germans and the Final Solution, Ian Kershaw, Yale.

If you want to read a short one volume book on the subject, I recommend Wolfgang Benz, The Holocaust.

The ICRC report is very clear regarding Nazi atrocities; for instance,
in page 641 of vol. 1, the report states that the Jews were “outcasts
condemned by rigid racial legislation to suffer tyranny, persecution,
and systematic extermination”. It goes on to say “they were penned
into concentration camps and ghettos, recruited for forced labor,
subjected to grave brutalities and sent to death camps”.

Romersa, Mission for Mussolini, Nazi radiation bomb

Lt. Luigi Romersa
“Mission for Mussolini”, 2006 Video on History channel.

Italian Journalist witnessed Nazi ‘dirty bomb’ experiment, in which radiation was irradiated. Source: Rainer Karlsch, Hitler’s Bomb”.

Kurt Diebner, Nazi nuclear physicist and Hans Kammler exploded the bomb near Ohrdruf, Mar 3, 1945. 500 Russian Pows were incinerated while testing it. Kammler wanted a nuclear warhead for the V-2 bomb. The Soviets were used as ‘guinea pigs’ and died horribly.

The US ended up getting Diebner along with the other scientists. But the video, although it makes mention of Kammler, does not indicate his fate.

Mussolini acknowledged the bomb existed publicly, Dec 16,1944. He claimed Hitler’s ‘new weapons’ would be a ‘redemption’ for Fascists. He admitted there were three of them.
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Testimony of Pister , Commandant of Buchenwald:

“I heard the wrost things concerning the treatment of prisoners. Commandant Koch seemed to have been under the impression that he had the right to carry out mistreatments on his own initiative perhaps to save himself the trouble of making a report to the higher authorities.

I immediately issued an order that mistreatment would be severely punished. I referred to an order personally issued by the Fuhrer that read, “I am the one who decides about the life or death of a prisoner — also my representative appointed by myself (Himmler)”.

“For me, as for every man, orders were sacred and had to be carried out.”
Prosecutor: “Even thought you knew they were wrong, is that correct?”

“How should I know if an order given from the highest headquarters is illegal? Every one of us took an oath that we woudl follow the orders of the Fuhrer without hesitation… I let orders from above be carried out without hesitation.”
“You knew that according to the Hague Convention an occupying power must respect the rights and lives and religious convictions of persons living in the occupied zone, did you not?”

“First of all, I did not know the Hague Convention. Furthermore, I did not bring these people to Buchenwald.”

Justice at Dachau, Joshua Greene, 2003

You can see the self-rationalizations going on, the twisting of logic in order to save his neck. But at least he did admit who gave the orders to kill the people at Buchenwald : Hitler and Himmler.

Mystery solved?: Kammler, Pt. 3.(edited)

Shabby translation is from google.

1. Kammler remained until middle of 1946 whereby he was active essentially in the area of Prague. He stayed several times still in Switzerland. End of 1946 was stuck in activity and immersed it unrecognized in  Czechoslovakia under an incorrect name under which he died 1972 and was buried nameless. .. see below
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**http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=3102

“2. THE MAGNETIC RAY

A similar device to the one operating below Ohrdruf finds a place in declassified literature as follows (I will supply full references for documents if requested):On 6 December 1944, the US Military Intelligence Service commenced Research Project 1217 “Investigation into German Possible Use of Rays to Neutralize Allied Aircraft Motors”.

IN CONCLUSION

The suggestion at this point is that by late 1944, Waffen-SS scientists in Germany had developed a catalyst or reagent, apparently a Waxy Substance, maybe a – of some kind, which when added to a —vastly magnified the effect, killing everything within a three mile radius by blast, tremendous heat and suffocation. It appears also to have had undesirable meteorological effects.In this last part of my article, I am proceeding on the hypothesis, based on material posted earlier in the thread, that such a catalyst or reagent existed, that it could be mass-produced, and that the killing effect of every bomb was equivalent to a Hiroshima atom bomb.On 16 April 1945 the Type XB submarine U-234 (KL Fehler) departed Christiansand, Norway for Japan direct. She had loaded at Kiel in January and February, and besides a strategic cargo in the region of 260 tonnes carried ten German and two Japanese passengers, all of whom were specialists in the military field or scientists.On 17 May 1945, against his express orders, KL Fehler decided to surrender his submarine to the US Navy, and arrived two days later at Portsmouth Navy Yard, New Hampshire.What is principally of interest is the cargo, and in particular ten cases of “uranium oxide” of 560 kgs weight, and several items which were not included on the Unloading Manifest.The Unloading Manifest (US NAT Arch, College Park MD, Box RG38, Box 13, Document OP-20-3-G1-A (Unloading Manifest) dated 24 May 1945) is a falsified document purporting to show the entire cargo aboard U-234. The true Manifests, both American and German, have never been declassified. —. From a declassified cable, it is evident that 80 cases of Uranium Powder have been omitted, as was also, from the statements of the U-boat crew members and KL Fehler, a two-seater Me 262 bomber aircraft brought from Rechlin and stowed in its component parts.Germany had 1200 tonnes of uranium oxide on hand at Oolen in Belgium throughout the war but made no strides towards making an atom bomb…..,evidence as exists points to this being a cover word for something else.—–It does not appear that FKpt Falk or Falck survived his interrogation, for there is no record of his return to Germany, and the US authorities have not been able to account for his movements in their custody after interrogating him on 26 May 1945. There are other indications that the “uranium ore” was extraordinary. Lt Col John Lansdale, Chief of security for the Manhattan Project, wrote in a 1996 newspaper article published in Britain and Germany that he had personally handled the disposal of the ten cases. He stated that the American military authorities “reacted with panic” when they learned what the cases contained.(2) The second document was found by researcher Joseph Mark Scalia, a former 12-year US Navy man, during a rummage through old boxes at the Portsmouth Navy Yard. It is a secret cable from CNO to NYPORT on the subject “MINE TUBES, UNLOADING OF” and states:

“Interrogation Lt Pfaff IIWO U-234 discloses he was in charge of cargo and personally supervised loading all mine tubes. Pfaff prepared Manifest List and knows kind cargo in each tube. Uranium Oxide loaded in …..dangerous….”

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 On 30 May 1945, both Secretary of State Stimson and President Truman were agreed that NO ALTERNATIVE existed to deploying America’s atomic arsenal against Japan. They had NO ALTERNATIVE to using the atom bomb, and no satisfactory reason has ever been forthcoming why that decision was made. What was aboard U-234 might also be aboard other Japan-bound U-boats.

THE MIRACLE EXPLOSIVE The four items of literature appearing to relate to the explosive tested at Ohrdruf in March 1945 are as follows:(i) British Security Coordination (BSC) was the largest integrated intelligence network enterprise in history. ….: “One of the BSC agents submitted a report, sealed and stamped THIS IS OF PARTICULAR SECRECY which told of “….liquid air bombs being developed in Germany……of terrific destructive effect.”“as powerful as rockets with atomic warheads”.(ii) “German Secret Weapons” (Ballantyne Press, UK, also Libr. Edit. San Martin, Madrid, 1975) … the text states:Waffen-SS scientists then became involved and added some kind of ….to the explosive. The bombs had to be filled immediately prior to the aircraft taking off. Bombs of ….. The intensive explosion covered an area up to 4.5 kms radius. Goering’s statement upon his arrest in May 1945 is significant: he claimed to have led a revolt against Luftwaffe use of a bomb “which could have destroyed all civilisation.” The bomb was not a nuclear weapon, and it appears to have been a conventional explosive which used a —produced by —-methodology or similar for its inexplicable effect

There is definite documentary evidence of a German bomb under development in 1944/45 which was not nuclear but used some nuclear materials and was of “terrific destructive effect”. Upon his capture Goering claimed that he had instigated a Luftwaffe mutiny to prevent the use of “bombs which could have destroyed all civilisation”. There was a Luftwaffe mutiny in the Lahn area of the Western Front in March 1945 for which 300 pilots and base commanders paid with their lives. The reason behind the mutiny is unknown since the Luftwaffe War Diaries for the period in question are being concealed for the next 100 years by the Allied powers.Yes the Nazis did have enough heavy water during WW2 and no, unfortunately the loss of Norwegian heavy water did not materially affect the outcome of the war. Germany also had the Beck Heavy Water plant near Hamburg and a new underground Heavy water Plant was also developed in 1944. Obviously from these efforts the Nazis were trying to build a heavy water reactor. There was an underground site at Melk, Austria called “Quartz 2″ which is alleged to have had some nuclear purpose connected with Dr Kurt Diebner.More relevant is that Dr Paul Harteck received massive funding for a huge contract in 1944 to manufacture gaseous uranium centrifuges on an industrial scale. There is no doubt in my mind that Nazi Germany was working on an atomic bomb and had the capability given enough time.I believe that Allied bombing stole development time from the Nazi nuclear project and given* a year or two of undisturbed underground centrifuge operation, there would have been a uranium A-bomb.I am inclined to the belief that the large explosive device detonated at Rugen and later at Ohrdruf did exist, but that it may have been a fuel air explosive referred to in diplomatic exchanges with Japan. This device would have produced the nose bleeds recounted by local inhabitants of the Ohrdruf area. It would also account for lack of residual radioactivity.

– The rest has been edited in line with state secrecy.
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3. Death of Kammler?

Kammler remained until middle 1946 whereby he was active essentially in the area of Prague.  He stayed several times still in Switzerland.  <strong>End of 1946 was absorbed in  activity and immersed it unrecognized in the at that time Czechoslovakia under an incorrect name under where he died 1972 and was buried nameless.</strong>  Kammler lived in a Czech place, at the location of a former education school of the Air Force.  It  was identified at this time of yet living time witness and was supervised by the Czech secret service long time. Nick Cook’s
Zero Point (http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~gerbrehm/nw/DIE%20ZEIT_Schwerkraft.htm
Originals written is named of indy in that ‘Mindener report it to the office group C:  “Information about details could give:  De. Ing.  Kammler, Eirenschmalz, Floto,… “.  Is …<strong>Wieso indicated Kammler there? </strong> The report was composed 1 1/2 years after end of the war – it clearly should have been, who dead Kammler was to every higher (responsible) SS member! 
Fact is that in very many interrogation protocols of the post-war years ask about the whereabouts of others placed.  Very often the answer reads:  “Hereon  nothing  is known to me“.  However my knowledge is that more or less everyone sat together in the internment warehouse.  To the extent that it refers to Kammler, it’s already strange…”

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1.Did Kammler die in 1945?

2. The Nazis did not explode a nuclear device, but were trying to develop one. They did however have other types of explosive technology.

3. Kammler as a war criminal was written out of the history books and forgotten.

4. Hitler was building a second bunker at Ohrdruf. They used slave labor to construct it.

5. 300 Luftwaffe pilots and personnel were killed at the end of March, but more about that is not known by me.

more on Kammler

Kammler visited Mauthausen-Gusen camp in Austria, May 6 1943.
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Holocaust Encyclopaedia: by Walter Lacquer

Kammler reference, p. 34-37

1.3 million people were deported to Auschwitz Birkenau, according to Franciszek Piper, Auschwitz historian.

“On 27 Feb 1942, Kammler went to Auschwitz to discuss a second crematorium.”

“In January 1943, Bischoff wrote to Kammler that Hitler himself had ordered the accelerated completion of the camp.” p. 37.

“Auschwitz, so he told me, is an extermination camp.” Fritz Ertl, 1972. p. 295-6. Ertl commented that the new crematoria were necessary “because of the special actions.” When asked if he knew what the word, “special measures ” meant, Ertl told the court that he knew the significance. Ertl’s superiors were Bischoff and above him, Hans Kammler. 29 Jan 1943, letter refers to the “gassing cellar”. Someone noticed that Bischoff’s letter contained the forbidden reference, and pencilled in above it, SS USTUf F Kirschneck. Kirschneck was responsible for the slip. Ertl said in court testimonry, ” The reference sign is “BIschoff’. I can imagine that he has written this himself. I had received the order of Bischoff that I could never write the word ‘gassing’. I always had to circumscribe it.” They would write instead, special action or special measure. p. 297, Van Pelt .

“On Jan 21 1972 , architect Fritz Ertl who had been employed at the Auschwitz Construction Office until early 1943, testified in court in Vienna about the genocidal use of the crematoria. The first time that he was informed about the use of Auschwitz in the Final Solution was in the summer of 1942″., p. 295, Van Pelt’s book, The Case for Auschwitz.

“Although Kammler had been in overall command, none of the rocket men knew of his whereabouts. In the weeks that followed, those operating scores of Allied POW camps in western Germany were asked to be on the lookout…. In any event, Hans Kammler has never been found- not evena clue has been uncovered as to his fate. He may have been the only German General engaged against the Anglo-Americans who had disappeared without a trace”. p. 170, from Unsolved History of World War Two.

There’s almost nothing written in English on Hans Kammler. So… whom do I consult?

“At Dora-Mittelbau near Nordhausen, thousands of prisoners dug tunnels in the rock in 1943 to prepare underground storage facilities for the V-2 missiles that would rain down on London a year later. They lived and slept in the choking dust without water or ventilation. During the first six months, almost 3,000 of 17,000 prisoners died. “Never mind the human victims, ” said SS Brigade-Fuehrer Hans Kammler, the commander of the operation. “The work must proceed and be finished in the shortest possible time.” p. 83, Krueger’s Men, by Lawrence Malkin.

Kammler, you bastard.The archivist at Modern Military Records in Maryland told you that Hans Kammler had been “redlined.” Can you explain what that means?

“I made a lot of inquiries through her, and she found it extraordinary, given what I told her about Kammler—I had to tell her about Kammler—that there was absolutely nothing on him in the National Archive, given that just about everything he was doing should have been documented in the files somewhere. The fact that there was nothing on him was therefore highly suspicious, and in her view tended to support the theory that he’d been redlined. In other words, somebody had gone in and cleared out any meaningful documents on him. ” (source:?)

Kammler, quote: http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/search?q=kammler%2C+hans

The Holocaust on Trial, DD Guttenplan, p. 197. Horthy protests that he can’t annihilate the Jews. Ribbentrop says, “The Jews must either be annihilated or taken to concentration camps. There was no other way.” Hitler says, at this meeting, “If they couldn’t work , they had to perish. They had to be treated like tuberculosis bacilli, from which a healthy body could be infected. That was not cruel…” David Irving altered the facts in his book Hitler’s war, by neglecting to record this part of the conversation. This proves that Hitler ordered the Holocaust.

Kammler references in books

At Dora-Mittelbau near Nordhausen, thousands of prisoners dug tunnels in the rock in 1943 to prepare underground storage facilities for the V-2 missiles that would rain down on London a year later. They lived and slept in the choking dust without water or ventilation. During the first six months, almost 3,000 of 17,000 prisoners died. “Never mind the human victims, ” said SS Brigade-Fuehrer Hans Kammler, the commander of the operation. “The work must proceed and be finished in the shortest possible time.” p. 83, “Krueger’s Men”, by Lawrence Malkin.

May 6, ‘43, Kammler visited Mauthausen-Gusen camps in Austria, as did Speer on a different date. Hence , Speer lied: he not only knew about the Holocaust but had a part in its organization. The proof only came out recently, long after he was dead. He avoided being hanged, narrowly.

The following books contain not one reference to Hans Kammler:

Tusa, Nuremberg Trials
Novick, Holocaust in American life
Kaplan, Between Dignity and Despair
Lukacs, Hitler of History
Read, Devil’s Disciples
Bascomb, Hunting Eichmann
Kater, Hitler’s Gift
Stackelberg, Hitler’s Germany
Burleigh, Third Reich
Benz, A concise history of the Third Reich
Elon, Pity of it All
Evans, Coming of the Third Reich
Stern, Five Germanys I have known

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more on Kammler:

Why then did Kammler order the evacuation of Prof Kurt Diebner’s heerswaffenamt nuclear team south from Stadtilm (near Liepzig) on 8 April 1945 aswell. These and his Peenemunde actions were contrary to Hitler’s orders to execute the scientists.

Was it perhaps that his defiance of Hitler’s orders prompted Hitler to charge Kammler with treason on 27 April 1945 when SS Lt Gen Hans Feiglein was arrested in Berlin in the company of a Hungarian mistress who was also an SOE operative ?

Why did he defy Hitler’s orders to execute scientists and engineers ?

I have read that from 27 April there were orders to arrest Kammler. Why was this and what is the basis for a different version that he was killed at Jicin by NKVD ?

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Suicide 09.05.1945 near Eule.
The full story of Kammler and his end (ca. 17 pages) will be in volume 2 of “Die Generale der Waffen-SS und der Polizei”.

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axishistory

Hans Kammler

The Case for Auschwitz, by Van Pelt

FINALLY! Found info. on Hans Kammler in scholarly books!

The business of genocide : the SS, slave labor, and the concentration camps / Michael Thad Allen.
Allen, Michael Thad.

Call Number:
940.5318 ALLEN

ISBN:
0807826774 (alk. paper)

Publication Information :
Chapel Hill, N.C. : University of North Carolina Press, c2002.

133 Hans Kammler: Modern Engineering in the SS
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So, we’ve found out some more info.:

Himmler decided to use Jewish slave labor , Jan 1942.

Kammler went to Auschwitz-Birkenau, May 1942.

Kammler ordered the morgues to be converted into gas chambers.

He worked on the original blueprints, which did NOT have gas chambers.

Kammler decided to build the crematoria in early 1942.

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Christopher Simpson, “Blowback” on how the CIA recruited Nazis. It contains only one reference to Kammler, nothing about his role in Auschwitz-Birkenau.

In the Autumn of 1941, they began gassing people at Birkenau: Russian POWS.

In the summer of 1942, they extended the operation.

Himmler arrived at the camp.

At the David Irving trial, there were some references to Hans Kammler.
cf. The Holocaust on Trial, DD Guttenplan.

“A public outrcry against the Euthanasia institutes had forced Hitler to put an end to the gassings (of the mentally ill) in Germany”, p. 52, Van Pelt.

Pressac has a book on Auschwitz, with detailed plans.

The book, “The Third Reich” by M. Burleigh , p. 385, has a whole chapter on the euthanasia program.

Pope Pius XIII unequivocally condemned the ‘killing of life unworthy of life” on Dec 2, 1940.

Bishop Galen, Munster, protested vigorously the Nazi plans to mass murder people. p. 403, Burleigh.

The Grand Mufti, on Radio Berlin, urged “Jihad” against the British and the Jews during the War. source: Palestinians: A history.

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p. 29, Van Pelt

In late 1944, the general (Dornberger) reached an agreement with Himmler, head of the SS, under wihich the SS’s representative, Hans Kammler, took over day-to-day management at Nordhausen on the condition that selected Dornberger subordinates… retained their positions of authority at the facility”. At this facility, tens of thousands of slave workers died producing V-2 rockets to be sent to destroy London.

The US ended up “with the larger share of the scientific legacy of the Nordhausen complex”, including Dornberger and Von Braun. But no mention of Kammler’s fate. source: Christopher Simpson,Blowback.

Van Pelt shows that “Kammler toured the site of Auschwitz…and ordered that a peasant cottage there be converted into a gas chamber. Two months later, on July 4, 1942, the first Jews from Slovakia were sorted out. Those who could work were admitted to the camp. Those who could not were killed in the peasant cottage, known now as Bunker I. (p. 72)

“Kammler decided to cancel two small incinerations in Birkenau and build there a large crematorium originally planned for the main camp. A gas chamber was created near crematorium I, and after that, in the fall of 1941, in two peasant cottages in the Birkenau forest”. (van Pelt, p. 217).

“In the summer of 1942 it was decided to extend enormously gassing operations and to improve them technically, entrusting the construction of huge crematoria to the firm of JA Topf and Sons at Erfurt… This was done just after SS Reichsfuhrer Himmler’s visit of inspection. The construction began immediately, and in the early months of 1943 four huge modern crematoria were ready for the use of the camp authorities; their fundamental and essential part consisted of a set of gas chambers of a type unknown before. These crematoria were distinguished by the numbers 2, 3, 4, and 5. Crematoria 2 and 3 had underground areas, called on the construction drawing Nos. 932 and 933 of Jan. 28, Leichenkeller 1 and 2, both of which were intended for the gassing of human beings”. (p. 217, Van Pelt.)

YouTranslation of documents on Hans Kammler, thanks to Diana

22.04.1945 Kammler has an big argument with lieutenant Burger, who was an commandant of the German troops (Wehrmacht)in Obermmergau. At night 28.April Kammler assumed with 600 soldiers a new residence for his staff. The residence of troops was between Oberammergau and Granswang. His residence was in Linderhof, then in Salzburg.

Last days of April/ first days of May 1945:

The last conferences in Ebensee and Salzburg about armament. They were just befor Kammler went in a hurry to Prague, where there were factory of airplanes.

First days in May gave his wife capsules of potassium cyanide. They are for her and for children. He said good bye: We will never see each other again.

05.05.1945 Kammler was a few days in Prague, and the revolt shot at him; he survived, his driver was bad wounded

05.09.1945 travelled in convoy with German soldiers and together with general SS Pückler-Burghauss and his SS group “Der Führer“ (The Leader), left Prague, went on the south side of the town through Eule (Jílové) and crossed over next to Davle the river Donau.

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The Making of the Atomic Bomb by Richard Rhodes, scant info.

part two: Ohrdruf: SS Gen. Hans Kammler

SS General Hans Kammler is dead. (born 1901).

http://greyfalcon.us/restored/KAMMLER.htm

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200209u/int2002-09-05

Nick Cook, a writer without much scientific knowledge, but who may have done some good research on Kammler

Greyfalcon site has some copyright issues.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc_ie/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007322

USHMM has little on Kammler or Ohrdruf.

“Exactly 64 years ago General Eisenhower deliberately visited Ohrdruf, a subcamp of Buchenwald, to see firsthand the atrocities perpetrated by the Nazis. He was so shocked by what he encountered that he urged members of Congress, journalists and others to visit and document the newly liberated camps so that no one in the future could dismiss the atrocities as “propaganda.”

 Greyfalcon contains some nonsense as well as interesting information. The impt thing about this site is the dates given.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc_ie/article.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10007319

In 1 Aug 1940 Hans Kammler joined the SS, where from 1942 he worked at designing facilities for the extermination camps, including gas chambers and crematoria. Kammler eventually became Oswald Pohl’s Deputy in the WVHA (Reich Administrative and Economic Main Office), which oversaw Amtsgruppe D (Amt D), the Administration of the concentration camp system, and was also Chief of Amt C, which designed and constructed all of the concentration and extermination camps. Following the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising in 1943, Heinrich Himmler assigned him to overseeing the demolition of the ghetto in retaliation.

SS GENERAL Hans Kammler was number three on the list to be tried at Nuremberg, yet he mysteriously ’died’ before they could find him for the trial, and his body was never recovered. He worked as an architect/ engineer on the design of concentration camps and gas chambers, as well as in aviation.

* Planned and organized construction of gas chambers, crematoria, and other facilities at Auschwitz-Birkenau, 1941 – 1943.
* Visited Auschwitz on an inspection tour with Himmler, 17. July 1942.
* Oversaw the demolition of remaining structures in the former Warsaw Ghetto, Summer 1943.
* Described by Heinz Höhne in “The Order of the Death’s Head” as “… one of the most unscrupulous careerists ever to wear SS uniform… his ambition was abnormal even by SS standards; he would build gas chambers in Auschwitz or launching ramps for flying bombs with equal attention to detail. He eventually became a[n Ober]gruppenführer but in spite of his exalted position bore no loyalty to the SS; for him the Order was nothing but a ladder for his own advancement.”
SS General Hans Kammler, the forgotten Nazi war criminal.
This warped and twisted administrative genius first came to the attention of Himmler and Hitler “with a brilliant hand-colored design for the Auschwitz concentration camp, which he subsequently built. Later he was called in to advise on the modalities for boosting the daily output of its gas chambers from 10,000 to 60,000.” {source}

“All this is to say that not only was Kammler a butcher, but that by the war’s end, Hitler had “concentrated more power in Kammler’s hands than he had ever entrusted to a single person,” bar none.”

He ‘disappeared’ or ‘died’. All references to him were dropped from the Nuremberg proceedings!! He disappears without a trace 18 April 1945. He supposedly goes off to Prague, where Eichmann also was hiding. Then they both disappear. Dr. Wilhelm Voss claims that Kammler bit the cyanide capsule on the road from Pilsen to Prague, May 9, 1945.(Agoston)

Ohrdruf, part of Buchenwald.

axishistory.com/forum:

Alan Heath,  has replied (January 20, 2004):
“Notwithstanding allegedly disappearing on the U-997 to Argentina, I assumed that Hans Kammler was captured in Czechoslovakia and shot in Jicin on May 12, 1945 by the NKVD along with around 100 others, many of whom were from the SS.
Wernher von Braun and others were captured May 3, 1945, they certainly had not seen anything of Kammler since the end of February.
However I can offer no evidence to back this theory up.“

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Kammler was also however head of the SS evacuation command which was better known for evacuating KZ camp inmates on death marches and shooting those who could not walk. Kammler’s evacuation command also used a number of armoured trains to evacuate tons of Luftwaffe secret technology documents from tunnels under Furstenstein Castle (near Walbrzych) to Linz, Austria where US Forces scooped up the documents. One of these armoured Trains is said to have simply disappeared at the end of the war. {sci fi?}

http://www.europe-cities.com/en/573/czech_republic/pilsen/

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/CzechRepCitiesTowns.png

His last telegraph message read, 17 April 1945:

“Re: Lorry Junkers In accordance with Fuhrer-Order jet aircraft measures take precedence over military. Have therefore not been in the position to release the lorry you require.Bau-Insp etc, signed Kammler.”

An extarordinary aspect of this was that Kammler was turning down a request for the Ju-390 from Hitler’s headquarters in April 1945. What was Hitler’s headquarters requesting ? Nevertheless “Cook reports that one of these enormous Ju 390s simply went missing at the end of the war.” (Agoston)

 From 18 April until 28 April, the trail grows cold: he was wanted by the Nazis for his failure to implement the Fuhrer’s orders to kill the Nazi scientists (Ohrdruf, Nazis exploded a  “device”, 4 Mar, 1945),  and the Prisoners at Dora-Mittlebau and Grosse-Rosen. *

 Had the Nazis detonated some kind of new explosive device? There were at least two attempts to do so: Mar 4 and 12 , 1945  in the area of Ohrdruf, Germany.

The US  archives are closed on the matter for one hundred years. In addition, the file with war diaries of Patton’s men that the US government has in archives is sealed.

Where was Kammler? Other sources say he could not have been in the Prague area on or around that date, due to the arrival of Patton’s Third Army and the encroaching Soviet forces.

*US THIRD ARMY captured Peenemunde scientists, 3 May 1945

 Pilsen, Uranium mines

US and Soviets meet 6 May, Prague.

From 5 May to 12 May Kammler could not have been at Jilove, where one report has him committing suicide by cyanide capsule ingestion.

Another report has him commit suicide or is shot in Davle, Moravia (Czech).

Any other alternative is mere supposition. One wild story has him flying to Norway, and from there to either Japan (with atomic papers, top secret; class.) or to Uruguay and on to Argentina. .

I don’t believe it.

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 Kammler: at the end of April he is headed toward Ebenzee and Salzburg, Austria – not far from Berchtesgaden. He goes due west to  Tyrol, West Austria where he gives his wife a cyanide capsule and a message (28 April?) Tyrol was also the center of the Luftwaffe experimental projects.

 Die Autoren dokumentieren nicht nur, daß am 4.3.1945 ein Kleinst-Atomtest auf dem Truppenübungsplatz Ohrdruf stattfand, bei dem mehrere hundert Menschen ums Leben kamen, sondern auch, daß am 16. März 1945 vom Boden Thüringens aus der erfolgreiche Start eines Prototypen stattfand.
Darüber hinaus erfahren Sie erstaunliche Details, warum die neuen Waffensysteme nicht eingesetzt wurden, welche Konsequenzen sich aus dem Vorhandensein von geheimen unterirdischen Anlagen im Raum Thüringen ergeben und auch, wo der mächtige General der Waffen-SS, Dr. Ing. Hans Kammler, nach dem Krieg verblieben ist.-

…in Raum Thuringen yield and also where the powerful general of the weapons SS, Dr. Ing.  Hans Kammler, after the war remained.
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  5 May 1945. Kammler is apparently on the road from Pilsen to Prague.

 9 May, alleged suicide in Eule (Jilove), Czechoslovakia as the Red Army closes in. Silesians were fleeing to Germany as the Czechs and Russians approached.

There are four different accounts of how he died, none of which has been corrobated. He is the missing LINK in how the concentration camp-system was achieved. Because he either ‘died ‘ or was hidden away, we have not heard the full history of the Holocaust.

It seems unlikely we ever will because many records of the activities of the US Third Army between 3 May and 9 May are CLASSIFIED due to the sensitive nature of what scientific projects were going on at Ordruf and in the Prague region.(Skoda/Krupp/SS Buildings and works projects)

Thanks to Diana, in Germany for assistance.

 Further info in the comments section.

09.05.1945 verlässt im Konvoi deutscher Soldaten unter SS-Gruppenführer von Pückler-Burghauss im Schutz der SS-Kampfgruppe “Der Führer“ Prag in südlicher Richtung durch Eule (Jílové) und überschreitet bei Davle die Donau.

translation: *Kammler hastens toward Prague airplaneworks May 5, 1945.

 5-9-45  Arrived  runs into the uprising there and narrowly could escape, leaving its driver heavily injured in the convoy of German soldiers under SS Kampfgruppe “Der Fuhrer”  in Prague, southernly direction through Eule- Jilove, and crosses the Danube in Davle.

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1. . We don’t believe that Kammler flew to Norway

2 don’t know all the facts due to the classified status of this info.

3. We do know that Kammler is in all likelihood dead.

4. We do know that there was a SECOND BUNKER being designed to which they would evacuate Hitler and the OKW (Oberkommando) in the event of them having to evacuate Berlin.

So, we have learned something new. (Agoston’s books)

more in comments.

wiki, 7-26-09

Nick Cook, who in his “The Hunt for Zero Point” (2001) raised the possibility that Kammler was brought to the United States along with other German scientists as part of Operation Paperclip as a result of his supposed involvement in secret German projects. Joseph P. Farrell’s “Reich of the Black Sun” (2005) casts further doubt upon the facts surrounding his death^[4], however his only references are to the book “Blunder! How the U.S. Gave Away Nazi Supersecrets to Russia” (1985) by self-identified “British Intelligence agent” Tom Agoston.^[5]

In March 1945, as US forces were advancing through Germany, the slave workers housed in the Dora-Mittelbau concentration camp were to be executed as security risks. It is believed that the order for their murder was received by Kammler, but he did not comply with it.

[edit] Death

On 9 July, 1945 Kammler’s widow petitioned to have him declared dead as of 9 May, 1945, adducing a sworn statement by Kammler’s driver, Kurt Preuk, according to which Preuk had personally seen “the corpse of Kammler and been present at his burial” on 9 May, 1945. The District Court of Berlin-Charlottenburg ruled on 7 September, 1948 that his death was officialy established as 9 May, 1945.

In a later sworn statement on 16 October, 1959, Preuk stated that Kammler’s date of death was “about 10 May, 1945″, but that he did not know the cause of death. On 7 September, 1965, Heinz Zeuner (a wartime aide of Kammler’s), stated that Kammler had died on 7 May, 1945 and that his corpse had been observed by Zeuner, Preuk and others. All the eyewitnesses consulted were certain that the cause of death was cyanide poisoning.^[2] In addition to testifying to Kammler’s suicide by cyanide, Zeuner also claimed earlier that Kammler had asked Zeuner to shoot him. However, doubt has been cast on Zeuner’s evidence since he is reported to have told an earlier denazification hearing in February 1948 that he was already in US custody on 2 May, 1945.^{[citation needed]}

In their accounts of Kamler’s movements Preuk and Zeuner claimed that he left Linderhof near Oberammergau on 28 April, 1945 for a tank conference at Salzburg and then went to Ebensee (where tank tracks were manufactured). According to Preuk and Zeuner he then travelled back from Ebensee to visit his wife in the Tyrol region, when he gave her two cyanide tablets. The next day, 5 May, he is said to have departed Tyrol for Prague.^{[citation needed]}

However, Preuk and Zeuner’s testimony clashes with the known movements of US Divisions throughout Austria in May 1945. By 4 May, 1945 the US 103rd Infantry was already at Innsbruck, preventing Kammler from travelling from Ebensee to the Tyrol. The US 88th Infantry division had arrived from Italy cutting off any route to the Tyrol from the south while the US 44th Infantry Division established a command post at Imst in Tyrol on 4 May, 1945 and together with the 103rd entirely controlled the Tyrol region preventing Kammler from visiting his wife. Preuk is quite clear that they drove everywhere so that it would have been impossible to bypass US checkpoints.

A further complication is that the 80th Infantry Division reached Ebensee on 4 May, 1945 ^[3], and the concentration camp itself was liberated by two M-18 half tracks of the US 80th Division at 2.50pm on 5 May, 1945.

There are four different versions of Kammler’s death:

• That he committed suicide with a cyanide capsule on 7 May, 1945.
• That he shot himself in the head on 9 May, 1945.
• That he asked his aide Zeuner to shoot him.
• That the Soviets executed Kammler along with 200 other SS soldiers
• This sums it up pretty well:

Speaking of Nuremberg, I have been reading about the elusive SS Obergruppenfuhrer Hans Kammler who went missing in April 1945 with all the secrets of Hitler’s “wunderwaffen.” It is alleged that Kammler struck a deal with US General George Patton to turn over the secrets to the Americans in return for his “disappearance.” Kammler took over the Nazi weapons program and used slave labor to construct underground factories etc. for such things as, the Me262 jet fighter, the V1 and V2 rockets, The Nazi Atom bomb, etc. href=”http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/?p=558″>http://cgi.stanford.edu/group/wais/cgi-bin/?p=558